再说一次MJ的销量问题

MkGenie · 发表于 2007-8-27 08:59:07

以下《吉尼斯世界记录》的证书原件扫描！

清楚的写明：MJ的THRILLER卖了1.04亿张如果连《吉尼斯世界记录》都不相信，那我不知道某些人的标准是什么？他们还能相信什么？那就等于在说拥有56年历史享誉世界的《吉尼斯世界记录》骗了世界56年！请给《吉尼斯世界记录》一点尊严，一点信任。人家创立这个机构的时代比你们任何质疑其公正性的人出生的年代都早。人家在颁布一个新记录的时候，是会做多方的调查求证的。 1.04亿张的记录是他们求证世界唱片协会、SONY、MJ、美国唱片协会等多方数据综合以后，才颁发给MJ的。

liwenhuan · 发表于 2007-8-27 09:07:21

几年才更新一次？？？？

紫雨 · 发表于 2007-8-27 09:08:50

谁不信，恩？？？站出来，

MkGenie · 发表于 2007-8-27 09:14:50

原帖由 liwenhuan 于 2007-8-27 09:07 发表几年才更新一次？？？？

《吉尼斯世界记录》每年更新一次

MkGenie · 发表于 2007-8-27 09:17:59

维基百科全书的官方介绍： http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson Michael Joseph Jackson (born August 29, 1958), commonly known as MJ[1] as well as the "King of Pop",[2] is an American musician, entertainer, and pop icon whose successful career and controversial personal life have been a part of pop culture for almost 40 years. Michael Jackson is widely regarded as one of the greatest entertainers and most popular recording artists in history, displaying complicated physical techniques, such as the robot and the moonwalk, that have redefined mainstream dance and entertainment. His achievements in the music industry have included a revolutionary transformation of music videos, establishing high-profile album releases and sales as a new trend for record companies to generate profits, dominating pop music during the 1980s, and becoming the first black entertainer to amass a strong following on MTV while leading the relatively young channel out of obscurity. His distinctive style, moves, and vocals have inspired, influenced, and spawned a whole generation of hip hop, pop, and R&B artists. He has been symbolically named the "Most Successful Entertainer of All Time" by Guinness World Records. Jackson began his musical career at the age of seven as the lead singer of The Jackson 5. He released his first solo recording, Got to Be There, in 1971, while remaining a member of the group. In his solo career, Jackson recorded and co-produced the best-selling album of all time, Thriller, which has worldwide sales exceeding 104 million. After Thriller, Jackson continued to release internationally chart-topping albums like Bad (1987), Dangerous (1991), HIStory (1995), and Invincible (2001), his latest album of fully original material. Michael Jackson has received thirteen Grammy Awards and charted thirteen #1 singles in the United States, more than any other male artist in the Hot 100 era. In November 2006, the World Music Awards announced that Michael Jackson had sold over 750 million units worldwide and given $300 million to charity, making Jackson one of the best-selling music artists and one of the most charitable humanitarians of all time, whose efforts on the latter front have been acknowledged with a Nobel Peace Prize nomination. From 1988 to 2005, Jackson lived on his Neverland Ranch property, where he built an amusement park and private zoo that was frequently attended by disadvantaged and terminally ill children. Rumours of sleepover parties received negative media coverage after it was revealed that children frequently slept in his bed or bedroom. These first came to light when he was accused of child sexual abuse in 1993. Michael Jackson's relationship with children was brought into the spotlight again in 2003 when the TV documentary Living with Michael Jackson aired. This resulted in Jackson being tried, and later acquitted, of more child molestation allegations and several other charges in 2005. Since then, Michael Jackson has lived in countries such as Bahrain and Ireland, but has since returned to the United States. Jackson is putting the "finishing touches on his new music" to be released this year.

324011253 · 发表于 2007-8-27 09:24:13

貌似没人说不信...1楼的好大火气..

MkGenie · 发表于 2007-8-27 09:28:03

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best-selling_music_artist 销量最大的音乐艺人（目前在著名的维基百科全书上只有三个） Best-selling music artist Disclaimers The artists below are listed in alphabetical order. Bands are listed by the first letter in their name (not including the article: "a", "an", or "the"), and individuals are listed by last name. （以下列出的三个艺人是以姓名的字母排序来排列的） All sources of information that are mentioned below obtain information about worldwide record sales from record companies. There is no other official tracking system for worldwide sales. （世界销量的信息都来自于唱片公司。世界上没有其他任何一个官方的唱片销售追踪系统） The World Music Awards is the only music awards organisation who based their awards on worldwide record sales. According to their official website, "The world's best-selling recording artists are determined by a thorough enquiry conducted by the organization, which include sales figures and record certifications." However, their databases don't hold a lot of information from the 1950s or 1960s, or sales of uncertified releases. （世界音乐奖是世界上唯一一个根据世界销量来颁发奖项的大奖。但它的数据库里没有太多50年代和60年代的信息） Some record companies claim that their artists are the "best-selling of all time", but this could be just a promotional statement. The same principle applies in the marketing of films and television shows; those statements serve only to attract the public. （某些唱片公司常常宣称他们旗下的艺人是“史上销量最高”，但是这也可能只是一个宣传语罢了。这种宣传语只是为了吸引公众的注意。） Figures given for artists should include both albums and singles sales, inclusive of paid digital downloads. The holder of the title may change in the future, depending upon the fate of each artist's new releases, changes in the sales rates of their back catalogues, and various other factors. （艺人的销售数据包括专集、单曲及网络下载等各个格式的综合统计，而不只是专集。由于艺人还会发新品，所以未来可能还有变动。） Artists claimed as the best-selling of all-time 自称是有史以来销量最大的三个巨星 The Beatles乐队 The Beatles, by Richard AvedonThe Beatles were a British group active from 1960 to 1970, who recorded various musical styles, most commonly known for their pop and rock numbers. Many of their records were best sellers at the time and many still remain on the all-time lists. At times they had multiple albums and singles on charts around the globe. For example, on April 4 of 1964 they held all the top 5 places in the Hot 100 and had 9 of the top 10 singles in the pop charts in Canada. The Beatles have sold 24 multi-platinum albums. Guinness World Records have claimed The Beatles have the biggest all-times sales for a band. （吉尼斯世界记录曾宣布他们是历史上销量最高的乐队）Neither EMI nor the Guinness World Records have specified if the 1 billion sales figure is accumulative of each Beatles' solo careers on top of their group sales, or just their group sales.（但是EMI唱片公司和吉尼斯都没有详细说明他们10亿张的销量究竟是Beatles乐队的销量加上乐队四个人在乐队解散后分别出的唱片的销量总和，还是就是他们的乐队销量） Although The Beatles disbanded in 1970, since that time singles and albums have continued to chart well, especially for a band that has disbanded. Between 1990 and 2005 alone they charted five different Number 1 albums on the UK and US charts. Michael Jackson Michael Jackson is an American R&B, New jack swing, Soul, pop, Disco and rock artist whose recording career has spanned from 1969 to the present. In November 2006 The Guinness Book of Records presented Jackson with eight certificates for musical achievements. Among them "The Most Successful Entertainer of All Time" , "Highest paid Entertainer of all time" (he received $125 million in album and tour sales in 1989) and "First Entertainer to sell more than 100 million albums outside the US." In 1982, Jackson recorded the best-selling album of all-time, Thriller, with reported worldwide sales of over 104 million from Guinness World Records. He is the first artist to debut a single at #1 in the U.S. with "You Are Not Alone" (1995) , .（MJ在2006年获得吉尼斯给予的8个认证，包括THRILLER卖出1.04亿张，是世界上最大销量的专集） Jackson also issued Bad (1987) which sold 32 million units and is the only album to have 5 #1 singles in the U.S , Dangerous (1991), which became one of the best-selling New jack swing album of all time selling 30 million units. HIStory (1995) which became the best selling double disk album ever at 36 million units and Blood on the Dance Floor (1997) which became the best selling remix album ever. [4] . He has released seven solo studio albums between 1979-2001, four of which have each sold a minimum of 30 million units worldwide. Michael Jackson has been awarded numerous honors, including the World Music Awards' Best-selling pop male artist of the Millennium. Jackson is often referred to as the 'King of Pop' by fans and media alike. Michael Jackson's record company Sony BMG has never given an accumulative sales figure for Jackson, but has stated the singer as being "the single most successful entertainer of the 20th century" and claims that he "has sold more recordings than any other single artist." （SONY公司从来没有给出JACKSON的累积销量数据，但是却始终把这位歌手称为“20世纪最成功的个体艺人”，并声称他“卖出了比任何个体艺人都多的唱片”）At the World Music Awards in 2006 it was announced that Jackson had sold over 750 million albums and singles worldwide . （在2006年世界音乐奖上宣布MJ已经在全世界卖出了7.5亿张专集和单曲） Elvis Presley Elvis Presley's debut RCA album. Photo taken on January 31, 1955Elvis Presley was an American rock, pop, gospel and country singer whose professional career spanned from 1954 until his death in 1977. Posthumously, he has continued to sell records in large numbers, reaching number 1 on both singles and album charts around the world. Presley is reported to have sold over one billion singles and albums （猫王据说在世界上卖出了10亿张专集和单曲）, which would make him the biggest-selling solo artist of all time. As of 2006, over a quarter century after his death, Presley still holds the top spot for best-selling solo artist in U.S. history, according to the RIAA. Presley has had 149 top 100 singles in the US, and he has also had 150 RIAA-certified gold awards for his albums, EPs and singles, many of which have been certified platinum and multi-platinum. According to the RIAA, 97 of Presley's albums account for his 118.5 million album tally in the US alone（美国唱片协会证明猫王在美国的总销量只有1.18亿张）. In addition, Presley is due certification for 120 additional albums. While it is roughly estimated that 60% of Presley's worldwide sales, for singles and albums alike, have been in the United States（而粗略估计猫王世界销量的60%的都在美国，但美国只有1.18亿张，所以他卖出10亿的说法相当成疑问，更别说某小报纸说的15亿了）, this is sometimes disputed as Presley has been reported to sell well over 19 million singles in the United Kingdom, a figure that is more than a third of the US tally.

MkGenie · 发表于 2007-8-27 09:32:01

以前写过的一篇文章！

查考迈克尔·杰克逊总销量问题 + 相关对比 简而言之，在索尼音乐/Epic公司时代，杰克逊一共在全球卖出了约两亿张独唱专辑（《Off The Wall》-2000万、《Thriller》-6000万、《Bad》-2900万、《Dangerous》-3000万、《HIStory》-1900万*双CD，按3800万算*、《Blood On The Dance Floor》-500万、《Invincible》-1100万、《HIStory Greatest Hits Vol.1》-300万、《Number Ones》-400万，总共约两亿张——注意：以上为出货量的最乐观估计，而不是零售商提供的细节数据），在Motown公司时代，他总共约卖出了3000万张个人专辑，于是迈克尔·杰克逊个人的全球销量大约为2.3亿张。另外，还要再加上杰克逊在全球范围内卖出的7000万张（Motown公司和Epic公司时期总和）单曲碟（包括《Invincible》专辑卖出的200万张单曲、《Dangerous》专辑卖出的1700万张单曲碟，等等）。于是迈克尔·杰克逊的个人唱片销量大约为三亿张。"猫王"埃尔维斯·普莱斯利只卖到这个程度的一半、埃尔顿·约翰、胡里奥·伊格莱西亚等也只卖到这个数字的一半或多一点（Elton John 还得感谢戴安娜王妃的去世让他趁机推出的纪念单曲唱片卖了3600万张）。迈克尔·杰克逊成为了获得国际唱片工业联合会（IFPI）官方肯定的最高销量独唱歌手，并于2000年在主要以销量来权衡的"世界音乐奖"上获得了"世纪艺术家"的称号；而2000年之后至今,杰克逊的唱片在全球又多卖出了2500万张。而迈克尔·杰克逊作为"杰克逊五兄弟"（Motown）和"杰克逊家族"乐队（Epic）乐队成员的时候，他们整个组合在全球的唱片销量超过了1.5亿张。著名的披头士乐队大约在全球也卖到了3亿张以上的专辑（美国国内达到了1.7亿张），另外加上3000万单曲销量，所以他们依然是有史以来唱片销量的冠军（无论是在组合类别还是个人类别）。但不要相信他们卖了"十亿张唱片"的说法，据EMI公司一个高层执行官于2002年透露，以及播出的披头士记录片和业界传媒引证，他们的唱片在美国的销量比其在全世界各地（包括英国）唱片销量的总和都要多——尽管他们的《#1s》在国际上卖得比美国要好。也就是说，根据RIAA统计的1.7亿张美国销售数据，大致可以估计其全球销量在3亿张左右。与之类似，"猫王"埃尔维斯也据称卖出了"十亿张唱片"，虽然不敢确定这是否是公关宣传，但至少能让美国白人媒体和一部分人相信埃尔维斯是冠军，这让很多人完全忽视了迈克尔是获得官方肯定的最高销量艺人的事实。 "猫王卖出十亿张唱片"的说法非常荒谬，据RIAA统计，他在他自己最大的市场——美国卖出了1亿张唱片，大部分是在他过世后卖出的，因此我们不难推算出他在全球的销量大约是1.5亿张左右。尤其要清楚看到的是，猫王和披头士乐队的影响力主要集中在欧美，而不是像迈克尔·杰克逊这样，影响力几乎遍布全球每块大洲，每个角落。尤其值得一提的是，索尼音乐公司于1997年官方宣布，杰克逊当时是史上唯一一个在美国以外的地区卖出一亿张唱片的艺人。注：以上的销售数据已作到尽量准确，是根据官方已宣布数据作出的估计。来源: 1) Motown唱片公司发布杰克逊 5乐队和迈克尔·杰克逊销量的官方声明、宣告和新闻会； 2) Epic唱片公司/CBS唱片公司发布杰克逊s乐队销量的官方声明、宣告和新闻会； 3) Epic唱片公司/索尼音乐娱乐公司布迈克尔·杰克逊销量的官方声明、宣告和新闻会； 4) 迈克尔·杰克逊和制作人罗德尼·杰金斯的公告； 5) SoundScan统计的美国数据； 6) 美国唱片工业协会（RIAA）统计的美国数据； 7) 索尼音乐娱乐公司的内部信息，由Captain Eo制作公司发布(如单曲销量)。多方面的其它数据的提供源，如国际唱片工业联合会。有趣的是，在他自己专辑大卖的同时，他还拥有着披头士和猫王等巨头的歌曲版权，尤其是1995年杰克逊将ATV公司和索尼音乐合并后，组成了世界上第三大音乐出版公司。这无疑让他成为最有权势的音乐出版商之一，或者说，几乎没有任何一个艺人能拥有他这么多宝藏。但这并不意味着迈克尔·杰克逊的主要经济来源是其他人的版权收入，因为别人的歌曲版权为他赚的钱并不一定比他自己的歌曲版权赚的多。请看以下的分析：版税收入的分配： a)歌曲创作者（分得不多的应得利益；作词作曲；可以是多人)； b)表演者 (分得很少利润；表演该曲；可以是多人)； c)版权持有者(分得最大部分利润；他们购买或制作歌曲)； d)管理者(从广播、广告等授权中收取少量佣金)； e)发行商(从制作和销售拷贝中获得分得少量利益) 拿披头士的《#1s》专辑作例，根据以上的图解，那么约翰·列侬和保罗·麦卡尼的歌曲版税分配就当如下： a) Apple公司(主要属于约翰·列侬/保罗·麦卡尼)； b) 表演者：直接支付给所有四个演唱者/表演者/音乐家，或支付给他们自己的公司； c) 索尼/ATV公司(版权商，分得最大份额利润，杰克逊和索尼对半分成) d) BMI（将向c分红，c再分部分给b和a）； e) EMI (制作和发行拷贝的厂牌；将向将向c分红，c再分部分给b和a) 而迈克尔·杰克逊的《Number Ones》歌曲版税分配则是: a) 杰克逊J制作公司（属于杰克逊） b) 杰克逊J制作公司（属于杰克逊） c) Mijac音乐出版公司（属于杰克逊） d) Warner-Tamerlane(将向c分红，c再分部分给b和a) e) 索尼音乐娱乐公司(制作和发行拷贝的厂牌；将向将向c分红，c再分部分给b和a) a、b、c之间的分配比例会在一开始就定好。比如Apple公司，历史已经明证其获益很少，因为在披头士身上投资的那个制作人非常精明，约翰·列侬/保罗·麦卡尼当时没有,任何经验，所以也没有要求分得回报。于是索尼/ATV公司将在以上5个基本分配单位中占最大的份额。而杰克逊自己的音乐也创造着巨大的财富，而且大部分钱是流回到了杰克逊自己的口袋——以上5个基本分配单位中，有3个属于迈克尔·杰克逊自己。杰克逊是唯一一个在上世纪60年代、70年代、80年代、90年代和新世纪第一个10年里都能夺得冠军位置的巨星，人们应该意识到他已经是一个并不比披头士差多少的超级现象，而且在很多标准上，迈克尔已经超过了披头士，但却被忽视了。而且，披头士和猫王的唱片销量大部分来源于解散（或去世）后的推动，以及后期不断发行的精选。想想迈克尔发行了多少专辑，再看看其他人发行了多少专辑，那简直是数倍以上。怪不得迈克尔·杰克逊在2002年在7月9日的一次高峰会上说："就在我的成就超过‘猫王'和披头士的那一刻起，他们（媒体）就开始将我的公众形象炒作为怪物和骚扰儿童犯......他们说我漂白了皮肤。但每当我站在镜子前的时候，我知道我的种族，我是黑人。" 那么，现在迈克尔遭受的一切是否与他拥有的这一切有关呢？据笔者了解到，当年为迈克尔·杰克逊买到披头士版权的律师约翰·布兰卡在美国律师界很多人心中都是这样一个形象：他出卖了白人，帮一个黑人买到了白人最在乎的财富。于是，我们是不是可以妄自推测：这已不再只是个商业斗争的问题了，而是一个社会、民族、政治问题；从1985年起，白人世界就已经把迈克尔·杰克逊升华为了一个种族耻辱，不灭掉他决不罢休？

MkGenie · 发表于 2007-8-27 09:48:06

http://www.mjdb.cn/show.aspx?id=1322&cid=15 杰克逊获吉尼斯世界记录表彰 [日期：2006-11-15] 来源：外电/MJJCN 作者：Keen

11月14日，流行音乐之王Michael Jackson在排演中抽空去到位于英国伦敦的《吉尼斯世界记录》总部接受表彰。 Jackson其实在到来伦敦之前就与《吉尼斯世界记录》取得了联系，称自己可以过来收揽他该获得的一系列证书。《吉尼斯世界记录》欣然同意并作出安排。《吉尼斯世界记录》今天总共给他颁发了八张世界记录认证书！其中主要包括：世界史上最畅销的专辑——《Thriller》！据《吉尼斯世界记录》的认证书上称：该专辑已在全球卖出了超过1.04亿张！在美国Billboard音乐排行榜的前十名内连续停留了80周！这比起之前的那些销量4000万到6000万张不等的说法，这是获得认证的最新统计数据！ Michael Jackson是第一个在美国以外的地区卖出一亿张专辑的艺术家！ Michael Jackson在1989年仅仅从单曲和专辑的销售上就净赚了1.25亿美元，是历史上第一位在一年内赚进上亿美金的艺术家；同时他也是历史上报酬最高的艺术家！其他的认证包括：夺得美国单曲榜冠军的最年轻的歌手（11岁，Jackson 5乐队的主唱）；首位单曲第一周发行即夺得美国音乐榜冠军的歌手（“You Are Not Alone”）；在美国排行榜上霸占冠军宝座时间最长的专辑（《Thriller》，37周）；最成功的音乐录影带（《Thriller》，销量100万套）。这一系列的成就让《吉尼斯世界记录》这次特别给Jackson颁发了一个最新吉尼斯世界记录认证：世界历史上最成功的艺术家！之前Jackson获得的吉尼斯世界记录还包括：支持慈善机构最多的流行明星（39个）；史上最长的音乐录影（《Ghosts》，35分钟）；史上最贵的音乐录影（《Scream》，制作费700万美金）；最值钱的奥斯卡奖杯（1999年6月12日Jackson在索斯比拍卖行上以154.2万美元的价格拍下了David O Selznick因《乱世佳人》一片而获得的最佳电影奖）等等。 Jackson自孩童时期就热爱并梦想着自己能留名《吉尼斯世界记录》。除了拿到这些奖状般的认证书外，Jackson还获赠了一本最新版的《吉尼斯世界记录》和一本他出生那年（1958年）出版的特别版。《吉尼斯世界记录》编辑Craig Glenday引领Jackson参观了他们的办公室和展览。表彰仪式中，Jackson说道：“我一直是这本记录书的大粉丝。非常感谢你们，——参观《吉尼斯世界记录》的办公室是一个巨大的荣耀！” 据《吉尼斯世界记录》总部发布的官方公告称，Michael Jackson此次将在伦敦献上他九年来的首次英国演出。在即将举行的世界音乐奖上，他将被授予钻石大奖。他还会演唱《Thriller》专辑上的歌曲，让这张专辑在25年后再度复生。《吉尼斯世界记录》的编辑Craig Glenday将与这位超级巨星在周三晚上的颁奖典礼舞台上重聚，并正式给Jackson赠上他的第八个世界记录，即上文提到的：世界历史上最成功的艺术家！ Craig Glenday说：“我们在《吉尼斯世界记录》里永远期待着意外。从世界最高的人到最长手指甲的女人等，我们对所有那些都习以为常了。但自从去年与女王见面后，我们就没有再这么兴奋过了。Michael是历史上最伟大的超级巨星，而他不可动摇的成功让他在整个事业生涯里一直处于创造记录的巅峰。我们绝对为Michael拥有这么多世界记录而感到高兴，同时看到他在百忙之中亲自过来领取证书时也倍感荣耀！”