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发表于 2010-2-15 16:24:55 | 显示全部楼层
谢谢翻译。唉,还在什么好说的呢?也就这样了。
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发表于 2010-2-15 16:27:42 | 显示全部楼层
终于翻译过来了
但是不知道有多少是可以相信的又有多少是编造的


无奈了   总之 迈一定经历 了很多


谢谢LZ  辛苦了
迈迈 等待着那一天 我们继续微笑
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发表于 2010-2-15 16:46:53 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 skysky 于 2010-2-15 16:48 编辑

回复 1# velo


    楼主,好象以前看过一个帖子,是另一个工作人员跟歌迷谈的话,也是匿名(因为和AEG签了协议,不能讲TII不好的话)。楼主看过吗?要不找来一起放在一楼。
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发表于 2010-2-15 17:38:21 | 显示全部楼层
everything that is being said by these people has been vetted and checked. They are told which details to reveal.我觉得这句话翻译得有些问题,他应该是说那些人(伴舞导演音乐制作人之类的……就是那些在TII中说话的人员)他们说的话都是经过AEG检查的(以防有什么真相被泄露出去),他们的话的内容都是AEG叫他们说的。
并且还说RP和KO是堂兄弟(远房的),很奇怪诶。
Mike...
只要你说一句话我就什么都信了。
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发表于 2010-2-15 17:46:16 | 显示全部楼层
质疑这段话的真实性,
据歌迷在场外偷录的片段,
MJ排练的时候都是带有音乐的
某些人怎么一出来就酸不拉几的...啧啧啧,多长时间没洗澡了?
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-2-16 11:06:40 | 显示全部楼层
回复 139# skysky

我也记得这个,也是MJFanClub上看的。说得也很细节。不过现在不好找了。亲要是能找到,那就谢谢了。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-2-16 11:10:38 | 显示全部楼层
回复 141# o2maple

音乐肯定是有的。文中说的playback应该是指为了补充音轨事先录好的带人声的带子,使现场感觉更完美无缺。
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发表于 2010-2-16 11:37:24 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 skysky 于 2010-3-9 22:08 编辑

回复 142# velo

好,我找给你,不过是英文版的。这是09年10月底TII上映后不久一个歌迷抓住一次机会,听一个为MJ工作了20多年的工作人员(匿名者)讲的。
    "Yeasterday I had the amazing chance to speak to someone who worked on This Is It. This person has worked with Michael in the past, I've seen him before on TV close to Michael, and I also saw him in... the movie and his name appears at the end.
    He gave me the ok to share with you what he told me, however with the condition that I would name provide his name. He is under contract with AEG/Sony and is only allowed to officially talk good about the movie and the concert. As he told me "hey, I also gotta pay my bills, so I have to do what they say."
    However, at the same time he told me to "share with fans what I said, because it is important that some things are known."
    He has great respect and admiration for Michael and has known him for over 20 years.
    Here's the most important things he told me:
    - Michael has always been a very sweet, humble person, since the first time they met 20 years ago, however he noticed that during these rehearsals, he looked even more humble than usual, to the point that he actually felt Michael was incredibly insecure this time around, he saw him very vulnerable and everyone automatically tried to make him feel ok, everyone wanted to bring the spark in him that old Michael Jackson had. According to this person a combination of the 2005 trial and the long absence from the spotlight made Michael feel very insecure.
    -Michael did not get along at all with Randy Phillips. Everyone knew it, even Phillips knew it. Phillips had a very arrogant way of dealing with Michael, he was terrified that Michael would not get ready for the shows and AEG would lose a lot of money. According to this person, Phillips made it clear to several people that these concerts had to happen, no matter what, because he "had to personally convince everyone at AEG that this was a good deal" therefore his job was at risk if anything went wrong. On many occasions Phillips would go to Michael's house with Ortega and Travis Payne whenever Michael would not show up. At times they would come back with him, at times no. The official explanations to the crew was "Michael is not feeling well today," "Michael rehearsed at home" or "Michael is rehearsing with his vocal coach."
    At first the crew believed it, but after a few weeks everyone started realizing something was up because even though Ortega and Payne would say everything was fine, it was obvious that they were very frustrated and nervous, and there were several heated discussions between Ortega, Phillips and Payne, but what exactly was being discussed was not clear since they always made sure they would be far enough for anyone to hear. During these conversations one of them would always be on a cellphone, and then the would pass it aroud to themselves. This person believes they were talking to Michael.
    Michael, and this is shown in the movie, did not want to wear the ear monitors. As this person told me, "look at any footage from Michael in concerts in the past, and you will never find him wearing ear monitors, he did not like them, did not need them." According to him, Ortega got upset at one time at Michael, and in front of everyone told him "you have to undrstand that here you do not have an option, you have to wear them, this is going to be a closed arena, not an open stadium, and the sound is different." He said his tone was very nasty and everyone was shocked, especially since Michael looked very upset, but mostly hurt, by it.
Interestingly, yesterday Karen Faye wrote on her facebook that Michael always complained to her that he did not like ear monitors, and asked her to tell Ortega. According to her, she did and Ortega told her "well, he has to wear them!"
    This is very interesting. According to this person, there was absolutely no way the concert was going to be ready for opening night on July 13th, and everyone kenw it. He asked me the following "when you saw the movie, you do realize right that they had to show the best scenes, the best performances, right ?" I said "yes, of course" to which he replied "so do you realize that what you have seen, most of it came from June 24th, 23rd and 22nd ? Based on what you saw, did it feel as if everything was going to be ready in 2 weeks ?" He said that Michael did not have his clothes ready, and that there was "pathetic" feeling around from different stylists that were trying to come up with ideas. But nothing was ready, no clothes, not even for the dancers. Michael wanted Michael Bush, but Travis Payne brought in that Zaldy guy, and AEG was behind Zaldy, rather than Michael Bush.
    The opening number for the concert was only done on the computer, just like we saw in the movie. It was never rehearsed, and the robot that Michael would have come out from was not ever ready. Also the closing of the show was just a concept.
    He also confirmed that they never had a full rehearsal. In other words, they never practiced the whole concert, it would always be a few songs on several days, but it was never put all together, therefore they were laso very concerned that once everything was gonna put together, it would take much longer that the 2 hours originally planned. This was going to be a huge problem for AEG and the O2 arena, because of an agreement they had with time. Also, Michael did not want to have long shows, for obvious reasons.
    Also, they never reharsed with implementing the videos for Smooth, Thriller and Earth as we saw in the movie, those were edited in the movie, but they never rehearsed using them, and it was still unclear how they would be used with the songs, especially Smooth Criminal.
    For the most part, Michael looked well, however this person did unfortunately confirm to me that there were days that something was "wrong" and everybody knew it. He worked with Michael in the past and Michael never wore sunglasses while rehearsing the dark like that, especially since Michael in the past would always want to see how the lights looked and for that reason did not like using shades. But he said "don't expect them to talk about it on tv of course, same with me, I won't and I can't." He said that at first everybody thought Michael was just eccentric and stuff, especially the dancers, they were just excited to see him, but he said for those who knew him for many years, including him, started realizing alarming signs.
    However, he said, this just shows how vulnerable Michael was and he does not like how people associate this behavior with something negative. He said "he went through so much poor thing, I perfectly understand why this was happening." Oh and btw, he said that some of the crew members started checking TMZ with their IPHONES to find out whether or not Michael had seen Dr. Klein during the day. It would usually warn them on what to expect when he showed up.
    Michael had fun when performing, it appeared as if it was what he needed, however off stage Michael did no look happy, he rarely interacted with the crew, other than Karen Faye and at times with Michael Bush. According to this person, Michael stayed as far as he could from Ortega, Payne and Phillips off stage, because he always felt he was being chased by them to do more, perform more and give more. He said that the crew in general felt Ortega was being too demanding, especially when it was obvious nothing was ready on time. But they mostly felt Ortega was being pressured by Phillips, and that it was Phillips who was just going crazy because was in a position of losing everything with these shows.
    The day after the news came out that some fans claimed Michael told them he did not want to do 50 concerts, everyone was instructed not to talk to anybody from the media, not to let in anyone who was not authorized to attend rehearsals, especially fans. When Michael came in that day, the atmosphere was tense and he did not look happy at all. Before working that day, Phillips and Ortega met with Michael and, interestingly, with his bodyguards. They spoke for about 20 minutes, but once again this person could not hear what was being said. However everyone had the feeling Michael indeed did not want to do 50 shows and believed Michael did talk to those fans.
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发表于 2010-2-16 11:38:02 | 显示全部楼层
回复 142# velo


    This is pretty much it. This guy said that it is a shame that Michael died while being extremely stressed out. He said that a lot of pressure was put on Michael, but the truth is that the concerts were not going to be ready not because of him, but because the there was simply not enough time to acocmplish all they had planned. He said he is sure Michael would have been 100% ready by July 13th, because "he did those songs hundreds of times before during his career, he knew exaclty what to do" but everything else around was not ready.
He also says he personally felt Michael sometimes did not show up because he knew things were moving slowly and sort of felt disappointed. He was a perfectionist, and when things were obviosuly not going in the right direction, he would get frustrated and sort of lose interest, instead of becoming upset at someone. Yet they made him believe it was him, that things were moving slowly because of him. But this person told me that Michael had nothing to do with all the technical stuff, like lightings, fireworks etc, therefore it was not his fault, but he was the easy target.
    According to him, if the concerts were not goint to be ready, it would have been easier for AEG to blame it on Michael, than blame themsleves and their lack of timing skills.
    Once again, do not ask me for his name, I will never tell, not even via PM. He was brutally honest with me and I will honor his request.
     A lot of things make sense now, especially the concerts not being ready based on what we saw in the movie. No way in two weeks they were going to be ready. Also, he said, don't forget that a lot of days would have been lost during the move to London and setting up the stage there and get adjusted to the arena.
    This is very sad, especially to think that Michael was somehow made feel responsible for this.
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发表于 2010-2-16 13:34:23 | 显示全部楼层
这个的可信度有多大?
迈克尔·杰克逊永远活在我们心中。
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发表于 2010-2-16 14:02:29 | 显示全部楼层
又是TINI那一套说法,又是一个不能透露姓名的隐身人,这能有多少可信度呢?除了把一些fans激的激动的不行, ...
alextoalex 发表于 2010-2-10 11:58



    哎呀~哎呀~哎呀呀~~~
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发表于 2010-2-16 14:32:32 | 显示全部楼层
不说别的,只看到迈迈的伤,我就心疼的不行。。。。那些只为了钱的人!
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发表于 2010-2-16 14:37:56 | 显示全部楼层
一声叹息。。
Michael,天堂里你可以安静的唱歌了……
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发表于 2010-2-16 14:52:05 | 显示全部楼层
我不知道....
我还没有能力去分析
用我的一生 珍藏對你遲到的愛、用我的一生 解讀你的一生。
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发表于 2010-2-16 15:07:52 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得这个有很多不可信、不符合事实之处。
欢迎光临我的MJ博客:http://blog.sina.com.cn/angelofplanetearth
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