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本帖最后由 forever_show 于 2009-8-19 22:53 编辑
无意中搜到的这个论坛，于是注册了一个id。在看帖子中才发现，论坛里的人美国人居多，而且论坛的访问量很大。找到那里的MJ论坛，进去看了后总觉得不对劲，那里一多半都是haters。汗，在那发了几个帖子，贴到这里来。
帖子一：
中文意思：
我正在改变历史？我已经说过我有28岁了，三年前我还曾经是一个历史教师，那段经历让我受益良多。其中最重要的一点就是我学会客观的看待事实。之前我说猫王窃取黑人音乐这种观点事实上一直存在着，我的父亲也曾经这么告诉我。你是否有为这些言论感到愤怒？这正是我现在的感觉。猫王是伟大的，我从来不会否认这点。但是为什么你们就不能给予MJ应有的尊重呢？我实在很憎恨哪些流言。假如你拥有别人一样的缺点，那就不要去指责别人这些，那会显得你很可笑。假如你从来没有和一个人面对面交谈过，相处过，没有确凿的证据，就不要轻率的对一个人下定论，那是对这个人的冒犯。
关于MJ的音乐。所有事情都确实准备好了么？我承认部分是正确的。但是你可曾知道世界上有两种伟大的人？一种是开创新时代的先锋，如华盛顿。另一种是集大成者，如中国的李时珍，他编写了本草纲目，这本书被认为是中国最伟大的医学著作之一。它总结了中国之前所有的医学成就。但是李时珍知道今天仍然一直被人们所铭记。每个纪元需要这样两种人，一种是开创者，另一种就是集大成者，完善它，总结它，为下一代人开辟新纪元铺好道路。只有这样，历史的车轮才会前进，所以你永远无法具体区分哪种人更伟大，历史已经一遍遍告诉我们这个道理
仍然是关于MJ，在他之前就真的有“mv”了么？是她开创了现代mv先河，没有他，我们将看不到<like a virgn>等。在此之前确实有moonwalk舞步，但是是MJ将它跳的最好并且知道今天仍然被人们不断模仿；在MJ之前确实已经有了很多著名的黑人音乐家，如Dianna Ross。但是是MJ将黑人音乐待到前所未有的高度。在MJ之前确实有很多很会跳舞的歌星。但是是MJ将舞蹈和音乐完美结合。世界上确实有很多著名的音乐家，如 Prince,Madonna.但是是MJ被全世界的人爱带着，部分种族，信仰。今天我们仍然可以从各种录影带中深切感受到。我不知道猫王是否是音乐的先锋，我不了解他，所以不会去评判他。但是我知道MJ确实是一个带着创新的集大成者。
关于专辑的销售情况，我曾经去过RIAA网站，它是美国官方网站。但是我并不完全相信，要想完全统计处具体的数字是非常非常困难的。我甚至怀疑吉尼斯关于MJ7.5亿的数字。但是我确实要更相信吉尼斯，它是世界范围的权威机构。
不要和我提什么投票事情（Danny和我说猫王2000年被选为什么千年什么的），它完全不能说明问题。我可以举一个简单的例子，姚明是一个伟大的球员。但是每年NBA的全明星塞上，姚明几乎都是票王，为什么？难道从姚明进入NBA起，他就是最好的NBA明星了么？忘记投票吧。
我将谈论一些关于中国的事情。你所想的完全是错误的，直到1988年，中国才首次引进bad专辑，但是当时只有很少数人可以买得起，在那个年代，太多事情是被禁止的。MJ也从来没有来过中国开演唱会。我们确实错过了很多西方文化，包括MJ的精彩篇章。当我们开始了解他时，他正陷入麻烦中，而且几乎归隐。但是仍然有那么多人爱着他，很多人说她们对他了解的越多，就越是喜欢他。我仍然记得当MJ宣布在O2举行告别演唱会时，大家是多么的激动，好几个幸运的人买到了门票，全部都是VIP。
最后，不要告诉我“之前什么都没有”之类的话。对于白人兴许如此，但是之前，黑人音乐已经创造了很多奇迹。现代音乐的开端源于黑人音乐，这是共识。
原文：
Danny: Am I change history? Ok, I’ve told u I am 28 years old, I ever was a history teacher three years ago, I did benefited tremendously from that experience. One of the most important is that I begin to look at facts objectively. What I said about Elvis stealing black music is one opinion always exist. Even my father also told me that. Are u ever angry for those as a fan of Elvis? That is the feeling what I have now. Elvis is great, I will never deny it. But why do u cant give MJ his due? I DO hate those rumors. If u own some disadvantages yourself, don’t accuse the same to others , it is ridiculous. If u never speak to someone face to face or stay together, or u haven’t the hard evidence, don’t jump a conclusion of somebody, it’s an offense to that man.
About MJ’s music, EVERYTHING WAS ALREADY THERE? I admit some is true. But do u ever know there are two kinds of great men? One are pioneers who creat a new era, for example Washington. The other are comprehensive syntheses who summing up the achievements before. For example, Mr. Li Shizhen, he wrote <Compendium of Materia Medica> , which is thought one of the greatest works of Chinese medicine. It’s a book containing the medical achievements Chinese ever had. But Mr. Li was still remembered now. Every era need the two kinds of men. One to open it, the other is to improve it, sum up, pave the way for posterity to open another door, only if, the wheels of history will keep rolling on. So u never can tell who is the greatest between the two kinds. History have told us that every time.
Still about MJ, it was true that there was MV? But IT WAS MJ TO CREATE MODERN MV, without him, we will never watch <Like a virgin> and etc. It was true that there was “moonwalk”, BUT IT WAS MJ TO DANCE THE BEST AND BE IMITATED UNTIL NOW. It was true that there were some successful black artists, like Diana Ross.BUT IT WAS MJ TO BRING THE BLACK MUSIC TO THE HEIGHT UNHEARED OF LEVELS. It was true that there was many musicians with dance. BUT IT WAS MJ WHOSE WORKS SHOWS THE MOSE PERFECT COMBINATION OF MUSIC AND DANCE. It was true that there were many well-known artists, like Prince, Madonna. BUT IT WAS MJ WHO WAS LOVED BY PEOPLE OF ALL RACES AND CREEDS ALL OVER THE WORLD.Today we still can feel that from various videos.I don’t know if Elvis was the pioneer of music,I don’t know him,so I won’t judge him. BUT I DO KNOW MJ IS THE COMPREHENSIVE SYNTHESIS WITH SOME INNOVATIONS.
About selling albums, I ever went to RIAA site, it’s American Official Site. I don’t believe completely. There’s too many difficulties to conclude the right numbers. Even I doublt the number of 750 millions Guiness give. But I DO believe the Guiness more. It’s the authority worldwide.
Pls don’t tell me the poll, it can’t explain anything clearly. I can give u an obvious example, that’’s Yao Ming. Yes, he is a great NBA star. Every year he is almost the head of poll and slected the starter of All-stars? Why? Does Yao Ming is the best NBA player even he just start his career in USA? So, forget that!
I would like to talk something about Chinese. What u think is definitely, until 1988, China first import the tape of bad, but there was few who could buy them. At that time, too much things were forbidden. And MJ never came to China to hold concerts too. We DO miss a lot of the westen culture, including the most part of MJ. When we began to know him, he was getting in troubles and almost retired. But there do many people to love him. Many told me that they read the stories about MJ more, they will love him more. I still remembered that when MJ announced that he would hold concerts in O2, how excited were us! Four of the fans were so lucky that they bought the tickets for this is it, all of the tickerts were VIP.
At last, don’t tell me any about “there was nothing before Elvis”, maybe it is correct to white, but before him, black music had created many wonders. The modern pop music BEGAN from the black music. It is the consensus. |
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