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SB录音MJ谈到他的婚姻生活
Mj：找一个镜像需要很长时间。（我理解是找个相当的另一半）人们经常说相反的人容易相互吸引，我认为那当然也是对的。但是我想要一个和我一样的人，一个有着共同兴趣的人，一个乐于帮助，一个和我一起去医院，也关心Gavin。这就是你看见lmp和我一起做这些事情，她也关心这些事情。
Sb：但是我是相信婚姻的人。当你和lisa的关系分开伊始是不是很难过？你理想型的家庭，你经常想建立亲密关系家庭的信念，尤其是当你知道。。。。。
Mj：我想要孩子，但是她不想要。
Sb：她感觉她有她自己的孩子。
Mj：对，在结婚前她答应我，我们结婚后的第一件事情就是和我生孩子。所以我心碎了，抱着小baby的娃娃来回走，然后哭泣，我是多么想要孩子呀。所以我觉得要生孩子。我很失望，她没有恪守承诺，你知道么？
在我们离婚以后她一直和我妈妈一起出去，她给我的信说“我会给你生9个孩子，我会做你想让我做的任何事情。”当然这些故事媒体都不知道，她尝试着几个月，但是我在那时候就变得十分冷酷无情。我在整个事情上封闭思想。（不愿意改变主意？）
Sb：所以她认为你们可能重新在一起？
Mj：。。恩
Sb：孩子是个主要的问题所在？
Mj：当然
Sb：她有孩子
Mj：她有她自己的孩子，我想要我们自己的，我想要我们感觉是一个大家庭，然后有更多孩子。我理想有9-10个孩子，那是我想要的。
Sb：你依旧很年轻，你认为那可能发生么？
Mj：yeah
Sb：那就意味着你又要结婚
Mj：是的
Sb：你会愿意那么做么？
Mj：嗯。。。或者收养
Sb:有没有可能麦克因为你是明星你吸引了错误的女孩类型？
Mj：那就是为什么对我来说很难，真的很难，对名人来说结婚真的不太容易。
Sb：你认为只能和名人结婚，这样他们就不那么需要你？
Mj：那可能有帮助，我认为，她们能理解你你经历过什么，她们也经历过。
Sb：然后，她们就能用正确的原因来帮助你？
Mj是，她们不是在你后面知道，你赚了很多钱或者你知道？[唱歌]那就是你本来的你。。{他唱了个他得格莱美的歌中的一句}
对 对
Sb：这样的话，lmp吸引你的一部分是不是她自己就有钱，她自己也有声望，然后你也不用焦虑她对你感兴趣是错的原因？
Mj：绝对是，她没要一分钱，我们离婚的时候，她不想要任何东西，她赚了千万每年从猫王的纪念品和那些相关的东西，她有她自己的事业。她不可能要其他东西了，你知道。。。
Sb：这样的话就是说，她是这个世界上最适合和你结婚的女孩了，因为即使是个有钱的女的，他可能要的名，你需要的是既有钱又有名的人。你定居在Presley或者McCartney？（这好像是地名，这句话不确定）
Mj：我知道lisa相当不错，她很甜，但是对我来说我很难固定下来，我不能一直待在一个地方，所以，我不知道这就是我不能一直过完整的婚姻生活的原因。
Sb：你想不想成为lisa孩子的父亲
Mj：想
Sb：你依旧和她的孩子们有联系么？
Mj：是的，还有lisa
Sb：但是婚姻太受限？
Mj：是的，我不知道是否是我太守纪律因为我是一块左右摇摆的石头？（这句翻译不好，感觉是mj在说他经常不在一个地方，因为演艺事业来回奔波？）我有过着这样的生活，我经常要哪里都去，女人不喜欢那样。她们想在一个地方定居，但是我必须动。我曾经去一个城市，在那个城市里面我有自己的房子，我将要去一个宾馆去check in就像感觉我将要去某地一样。我的房子就在那。我猜我要一直搬家，一直动地方。
Sb：你感觉寂寞？在你的生活中是不是有一些事情并不是真正发生？
Mj：像为没有妻子而寂寞？还是没有伙伴？像那样的寂寞么？
Sb：是的
Mj：我经历了2个很惨痛的离婚。我才从第二个走出来。。即使我和这些女的结婚，我上床睡觉感觉受伤害，我很受伤，我昨天晚上还哭来的，我上床睡觉的时候，我昨天也没睡好，我哭，因为我感觉。。我名没有尝试，我告诉你真诚的事实，如果你不相信就去问Frank。Frank知道我很受伤。我感觉到孩子所遭受的痛苦，我被伤害的太深。这就是为什么我试图去接触任何我知道在遭受痛苦的孩子{mj提到一个小女孩，她和癌症做斗争，并和她的家里人在家里见面}和gavin{mj的下一个指控者}我试图去打电话，我起来的第一件事情，第一个人，就是打给那个小女孩，她现在已经死了。她的死令我很悲伤。但是我想那就是我正在的爱来源的地方，如果我能在某些地方帮助到他们，我就很高兴，我就不需要其他的{浪漫爱情}。
你知道，如果我在哪个地方遇到一些女孩，我认为她很漂亮，我看到很多这样的，那很不错。我的意思是说，我将去约会或者什么。那样做根本没什么错误。吉尼佛洛佩兹那天看起来不那么好，她真的。。我很吃惊，因为我从来没觉得她长的好。
Sb：你说不是放弃让女人理解你？你是不是认为孩子更能理解你？
Mj：我不是很容易和妻子一起过夫妻生活，我不是很容易并且我知道我不容易。因为我把我的时间都用在其他事情上。我把它（时间）给了孩子，给了一些地方一些生病的人，给了音乐。然后女人希望她是你的中心，我记得，LMP经常对我说，我不是一件家居，我不是一件家居，你不能。。。然后我说，我也不想你成为家具，但是你知道，有一些生病的小女孩在电话里面找我，她就变得疯狂然后挂掉电话。你知道，我觉得这是我的使命（救小孩）我必须去做。。
sb：你找到温柔的女人，你认为谁温柔？
Mj：像德瑞莎修女或者戴安娜王妃，那样就不错，那就完美了
Sb：比你自己去做那些事情更好么？（比起自己去医院探望儿童？）
Mj：当然，lisa很不错和我一起去医院，她很体贴做这些。医院把小孩子用项圈绑在床上（估计是怕生病的小孩乱跑）我们把他们项圈解开，放他们自由。我憎恨他们那样对待儿童，lisa和我一起发现很多不公平的事情。我们去很多地方：罗马尼亚，布拉格，捷克，俄罗斯。。。
Sb：lisa 很乐于持续的拜访医院，她做这些慰问小孩给这些孩子们爱，使他们觉得自己很特别，这些对她来说不是问题。
Mj：她做这些没问题，但是我们也有过几次大的争论，她对她自己的孩子很有主权，她的孩子是她主要关心的，但是我说“不，所有的孩子我们都应该关心“她不喜欢我那么说。她对那种说法很生气。并且她和我有一次争吵，那次是有2个在伦敦的小男孩，杀了其他的小孩，我想要去看他们，因为英国女王给这两个小男孩成人才有的死刑。他们才11岁和10岁，我要去监狱看他们。Lisa对我说”你个傻瓜，你还去奖励他们为他们所做的事情么？我说：你怎么能这么说那！我打赌，你去查查他们的生活你就能发现他们肯定没有家长在身边，没有感受到任何爱，没人把他们抱住然后看着他们的眼睛说“我爱你“。他们应该得到那些，即使他们要执行死刑，我就想去和他们说我爱你们，然后抱抱他们。Lisa说”你错了“我说：你错了。然后关于这两个小孩的消息出来了，他们是从一个破碎的家庭里面出来的，他们从来没有被当成小孩子看待。他们的消遣就是那些又杀又刺的电影，这就是为什么他们犯罪了。
Sb：那她最后承认你对了么？
Mj：没有，她认为我在奖励坏孩子。
Sb：她想你成为她自己孩子的夫亲么？
Mj：这个问题曾经问过lisa在电视上，她回答：不，他们有父亲，他们的夫亲是 Keogh，但是我真的对她的孩子很好，每天我回家都给他们带一些东西，然后他们就在窗户旁边等我，然后抱我，我爱他们，我很想念他们。
Sb：她lisa习惯住在Neverland么？那里是不是有点与世隔绝？
Mj：lisa没有住在neverland，我们拜访Neverland。。。我住在她在城里的家，过一段时间我们就去拜访Neverland，在那就像我们度过愉快的周末。
Sb：她的孩子喜欢么？
Mj：你在开玩笑么？在那里他们像到了天堂
Sb：你很高兴把这些展示给他们
Mj：恩。。。。
MJ:It takes a lot to find a mirror image, a mirror image. People always say that opposites attract and I think that is true, as well. But I want somebody who is alot like me, who has the same interests and who wants to help and they gotta go to hospitals with me and care about Gavin. That's why you saw LMP and me at those kind of things. She cared about stuff, too.
But I'm a believer in marriage. So when your relationship with Lisa started to fall apart was it very hard? Your idealism about the family, everthing you believed in building the intimate family you always wanted, especially because you knew....
MJ: I wanted children and she did'nt.
She felt she had her kids.
MJ: Yeah, and she promised me before we married, that would be the first thing we'd do was have children. So I was broken-hearted and I walked around al the time holding these little baby dolls and I'd be crying, that's how badly I wanted them. So I was determined to have children. It disappointed me that she would'nt keep her promise to me, you know? After we got divorced she would hang out with my mother all the time. I have all these letters saying, " I'll give you nine children. I'll do whatever you want." and of course the press don't know all these stories and she just tried for months and months and I just became too hard-hearted at that point. I closed my mind on the whole situation.
So she thought maybe you could get back together?
MJ: Uh huh
But children were a major, major issue?
MJ: Of course.
She had the kids and that was it.
MJ: She had hers and I wanted us to feel like we all were one big family and have more. Just my dream is to have 9 or 10 children, that's what I want.
You're still very young. Do you think that will happen?
MJ: Yeah
But then again it means getting married again.
MJ: Yeah
Are you happy to do that?
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MJ: Uh huh... or adopt.
Is it possible Michael you're attracting the wrong kind of girl because of your celebrity?
MJ: It's hard That's why it's hard, it's hard for me. It is hard. It's not easy for celebrities to be married.
Do you think that you could only really marry celebrities so that they don't need you as much?
MJ: That helps, in my opinion. And they understand what you go through. They've been there.
They help you for the right reasons, then?
MJ: Yeah, they're not after you know, WHat you've made [ the money] or you know? [singing] "That's what your are...." [ He won a Grammy for that.]
Right, right.
So part of the attraction to LMP that she had her own money and her own fame and you did'nt have to become anxious that she was interested in you for the wrong reasons?
MJ:Absolutely she did'nt take a penny [when we got divorce] she did'nt want anything. She makes about a million dollars a yer from Elvis memorabilia and selling all that stuff and she has her own thing. She is not her to take, you know.
So that means there was almost like one girl in the whole world that you could marry becaue even a rich woman would want your name. Yu needed someone with money and a name. You were down to a Presley or a McCartney or something like that.
MJ:I know Lisa was great. She was a sweet person. But it is hard to tie me down. I can't stay in one place one time so that's why I don't know if I can really be completely married all the time.
Did you want to be a father to her kids?
MJ:Yes
Do you still stay in touch with the children?
MJ:Yes and with her.
But marriage is too confining?
MJ:Yes. I don't know whether I'm disciplined enough because I am such a rolling stone. I have such a life when I am always on the move and women don't like that. They want you to be settled in one place all the time but I have to move. I have been in the same city as where my house is and I'll check into a hotel just to feel like I'm going somewhere. My house is right there. I guess I'm just moving all the time, moving
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MJ: Like a Mother Teresa or a Lady Diana or...That would be great. I would be perfect.
Would it be better than having to do it on your own?
MJ: Absolutely, and Lisa was great with going to the hospitals with me, and she was so sweet about that. They would tie the babies to the bed of chain children down. We'd go unchain...we'd go free all these babies. I hated that and she discovered a lot of that injustice with me. Countries like Romania and Prague, Czech and all that, Russia.
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Lisa Marie was good about at least visiting. So she had no problem going and doing some of the compassionate things of giving these children love and making them feel special.
MJ: She had no problem doing that but her and I had several big arguments ' cause she's very terretorial with her children. Her children were [her major concern]....and I said "No, all children are our concern," and she never liked that coming from me. She was very angry about that. Pluse she had a fight with me one time when 2 little boys in London killed this other kidand I was going to visit them cause the queen gave them adult sentencing of life. These were like 11 and 10 year old boys and I was going to the prison and visiting them. SHe said, "You idiot. You're just rewarding them for what they did." I said" How dare you say that." I bet if you trace their lives you can find they did'nt have parents around, they did'nt have any love, nobody there to hold them look in their eyes and say "I love you,." They deserve that even if they are going to get life, I just want to say I love you and hold them. " She said, "Well you're wrong." I said "No, you're wrong." The information came out they came from broken families, were never watched as little kids, attended to. Their pacifier was those Chucky movies with the stabbings and the killings. And that's how they became conditioned to that.
Did she admit then you had a good point?
MJ: Nope, she thinks I'm rewarding bad kids.
Did she want you to be a father to her kids?
Well that was once asked of her. She was asked that question on tv and she said, "No, they have a father. Theit father is Keogh," that other guy. But I was really good to her children. Every day I'd bring them home something and they'd be waiting by the window for me and hug me. I love them. I miss them so much.
Did she get used to living at Neverland or was it too isolated?
MJ: Lisa did'nt live at Neverland. We visited Neverland the way...I lived at her house in the city and every once in a while we visited Neverland. It would be like our fun weekend.
And her children liked it?
MJ: Are you kidding me? They were like in heaven.
And you were happy to show it to them?
MJ: Mmm hmm
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